New statistics show it really is that hard to get into college
Oh, students admitted to Columbia for the upcoming academic year. You few! You happy few! You 9 percent of the 26,178 who applied! Although, according to the New York Times’ 2010 Admissions Tally, only 58 percent of you enrolled. The data ran on “The Choice Blog,” under the subheading “Demystifying College Admissions and Aid.” Further demystification after the jump.
Sure, Columbia and its 9 percent admit rate were tough, but tougher still were Harvard, Stanford, and Yale (all 7 percent), as well as Princeton, Cooper Union, and Juilliard (all of which accepted only 8 percent).
The schools weren’t the only ones playing hard to get. The highest yield (admissions-speak for the percentage of accepted students who in turn accept the school) belonged to Cooper Union and (surprise!) Harvard, each with 76 percent, followed by FIT—yes, the Fashion Institute of Technology—with 75 percent. Stanford brought in 72 percent of its admits, and Juilliard passed its audition for 70 percent of the students it admitted. So basically, the best way for a college to secure a high yield is to be highly specialized and/or pre-professional. Or Harvard or Stanford.
Wait list statistics are somewhat harder to demystify, since the tally shares the raw number—not the percentage—admitted off the wait list. Not surprisingly, more students were taken off of wait lists at larger schools. There is, however, one Big Red exception. Cornell, which had a wait list of 1,492, accepted exactly zero students from its patient purgatory.
Regardless! Congratulations to the incoming first-years, who won this numbers game. Welcome to four years of being mystified.
do not know how to analyze statistics emily tamkin/nyt, the college admit rate is different than the overall rate because the overall includes seas etc
the correct idiom is “different from” because you are not comparing a noun to a clause. also, i think it is perfectly valid to analyze columbia’s college + seas admit rate because harvard uses fas + seas, princeton uses a combined stat, penn etc. simply put, the college is now not selective enough to bring the engineering rate down, because columbia seas is now the most selective engineering school in the ivy league, and the second most selective engineering school in the country behind MIT.
is incorrect. you are a fool. fool fool fool fool fool fool fool
rate different from rate;
rate different than i had thought;
all colleges, harvard, princeton, yale include engineering admit rate in their overall admit rate because engineering majors are part of their colleges. It would not be fair to other colleges by comparing their overall admit rates to only Columbia college’s rate. In your case, only about 21000 people applied to columbia and only about 1,000 people got accepted, and for you to compare to, let say, Princeton’s overall undergrad body admit including engineering majors would be unfair for Princetonians. I’m sure Princeton’s and other colleges’ liberal arts majors have even lower acceptance rate than 8, since engineering pool is self-selective and not the liberal arts pool so more people naturally apply to liberal arts. The level of comparison would be different if we follow your methodology. Think before you criticize.
think before you criticize. think think think think think
isn’t it easier to get into SEAS than CC?
?! if you have seriously considered going to engineering school, you would not be asking that question
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isn’t easier for CC people to be unemployed than SEAS students?
Are u saying that Yale is harder to get into than MIT? Maybe by admission rate it seems, but any person with a brain knows its not true
SEAS has higher SAT composite than CC
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the correct idiom is “different than” because you are comparing a noun to a clause. also, i think it is not perfectly valid to analyze columbia’s college + seas admit rate because harvard does uses fas + seas, princeton does not uses a combined stat, penn etc. complexly put, the college is now not not not not selective enough to bring the engineering rate up, because columbia seas is now not the most selective engineering school in the ivy league, and the four hundreth [sic] most selective engineering school in the country behind MIT.
Are u crazy? you need to cool down.
no maybe than it is time to go
Who really cares?
What was the College’s yield?
If there’s a valid way to compare something as subjective as two colleges’ admission standards, the way to do it is to compare the qualifications of the rejected applicants from each school who came closest to getting in. That way you could see where each school set the bar. Such information is not available, and the information that is available does not approximate it well enough to be useful.
Remember that the admission process really is subjective in many ways. Even within Columbia, the College and SEAS emphasize different criteria. Some students who are rejected by SEAS would get into the College, and vice versa. Most comparisons presume that schools all apply the same standards, but that just isn’t true.
agree